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What is Lat Sao Jik Chung ?
It is about a special kind of way to apply persistent pressure to the partners arms.
The best way to train it is the chi sao training.You have to apply a certain pressure all the time to the partners arms directed to the partners center.The pressure remains all the time even in the rolling motion so that the partner stands under pressure all the time.Within this pressure the partners stance and structure gets stressed very hard.
It´s hard for the partner not to get twisted or to keep standig calm and upright.
If the partner takes away an arm because he likes to switch from inside to the outside a gap occurs and the counter pressure is suddenly away.The pressing partner don´t needs to see the attack or to think about it.He probably even has no choice if he likes to counter attack or not because the arm of the partner would be taken away so fast that he wouldn´t have a chance  to think about it.If you have directed your pressure properly to the partners center you will hit his center automaticly if he takes away his arm or leave the position anyway.
Then your arm rushes forward like a  spiral spring.
In simple words,that´s Lat Sao Jik Chung

Hello Frank

I´m searching for that feeling very hard.It is very difficult to make pressure without leaning.At the moment I´m investigating if I have to push my taan sao actively forward like I´m trying to throw my trainings partner away or if I have to keep standing firm and just taking the pressure of his arms passive by directing the force over the proper structure to the ground.I found that most of the problems uprises if one is pushing his body upward out of the legs to generate power behind his rolling.If he pushes and the partner suddenly takes away his arms he has to stumble forward.Or if one is trying to make forwarded pressure than it´s a problem if he pushes parallel (horizontal) to the ground because he has nothing in the back to support his actions,he will push himself backward.So I try (scince I have been to Gert) to apply all my movements a little upward and well controlled so that I can direct the forces to the ground.It´s relative new for me and I have to train hard to gain the proper feeling and control but I will not go any further until I mastered it.

met vriendelijke groetjes

Ralf

A problem I used to have was over reaching/stretched out bridge.
I'm a tall drink of water, and I also felt protected by my extra reach. Unfortunatly I was giving up all my 'breathing ' room and springy engergy.I had a stretched out bridge and an over leaned back body. I finally started to get keeping the poon sao closer 'rounder' and more 'springy'.This will also go along way to keep one from leaning.Keeps you in 'one body movement'
This leads me to another related point reguarding 'pulsing'. Pulsing is the effect of a kind of push pull pulse that showes in the roll. Even now I not totally sure what the deal is with the pulse. I know that it can contain false leading energy and other distracting 'signals' but myself Itry to mimimise the effect. If my opponent pulses to much  sometimes  I can turn it against him. It is true that there is a subtle 'expansion' and contraction to the structure/tool but two can't be in the same place at the same time. Pulsing can be constant attempt to dominate the centerline.
And can lead to 'falling' through a hole.
It's just good to identify this energy thing so as not to have it screw u up.
Hoy Sum Fu

It´s a crux,if you lean a bit forward you are protect against beeing pushed but you will stumple forward if the couter pressure gets suddenly away.Also you are weak against pulling.If you lean a little bit backward you are protected against pulling but weak against beeing pushed.Sometimes I thought I would have to realise quickly if I get pushed or pulled so I can lean just in time backward or forward but that´s stupid,this cannot work.It´s about angling proper the ankles to direct the force proper to the ground.Therefore you have to gain the correct ideas within training the siu lim tao.If your taan sao is angled properly alittle bit upright and you are pressing against your partners counter pressing fook sao then the force can be deflected properly into the ground.When you are counter pressing with your fook sao against your partners taan sao your forearm has to be directed a little bit upward and your elbow has to point to the ground.You have to press your elbow slightly in direction to the ground.The rest is about hip control.Sorry it´s hard to explain in words but I hope you understand what I mean.

Ralf

I don´t know if it really will be necessary.I have seen it from "The one whose name mustn´t be called",he stood upright on just one leg and 3 students tried to push and shuffle him away but they couldn´t.I think it´s about proper understanding of the structure and directing the force into the ground.I do believe now if I test it out very,very slowly by letting myself beeing pushed and pulled very slowly alternating, I will find it and can gain the proper feeling.I think most of us are to impatient to go further to learn higher techniques but that cannot work.With much luck and mostly after years of succesless training some have the luck to meet a high skilled VT Teacher who is able to show them why their VT is  ineffective.I was one of them  .
I thought one can overdo deep standing in the ygkym and doing the slt very slowly and never understood the benefits of doing it so.But it is true,no pain no gain.The muscles in the legs must be train hard and proberly also the muscles in the hips.The ygkym is attending it very well.Everybody should stop sometimes training the fast actions and practice very slowly the basics like slowly pressing and manipulating the directions of the partners forces without getting manipulated himself.The quality of the movements are most important.Better one hit from a pump shot gun than a volley from a mashine gun because a hurt animal is more dangerous than a dead animal